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Recipe framework gone? [message #56323]

Wed, 08 July 2009 16:55

Antony Wilkins

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Registered: July 2009

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Hi,

Looking at the old OAW documentation, I came across the Recipe framework.
http://www.openarchitectureware.org/pub/documentation/4.3.1/ html/contents/recipe.html

I don't seem to be able to find the TMF equivalent - has this been dropped
from TMF, or am I just looking under the wrong names?

If it has been dropped - would the old oaw stuff be compatible with TMF
models/generated code (it's all Ecore under the covers...)?

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Re: Recipe framework gone? [message #56359 is a reply to message #56323]

Wed, 08 July 2009 18:09

Sven Efftinge

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Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Hi Antony,

the recipe framework is not part of Xtext.
All secondary oAW components (recipe, XWeave, etc.) will be updated and
further developed as soon as there are people pushing it forward. You
might try to trigger Markus Völter (the original author) or find any
other volunteers.

>
> If it has been dropped - would the old oaw stuff be compatible with TMF
> models/generated code (it's all Ecore under the covers...)?
>

I'm pretty sure that there's no explicit dependency to Xtext.
So it should work. That said, I'm not so sure if there are dependencies
to Xpand. So you might be forced to use Xpand from oAW 4.3.1 (which
works with TMF Xtext) in order to use Recipe from oAW 4.3.1.
It's maybe best to ask in the openarchitectureware.org forum.

Cheers,
Sven

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Re: Recipe framework gone? [message #56387 is a reply to message #56359]

Wed, 08 July 2009 18:35

Karsten Thoms

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Registered: July 2009
Location: Dortmund, Germany

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Hi Antony,

state of now Recipe is considered deprecated for oaw5. Until now we have no volunteers for this component willing to migrate.
"Old oaw stuff" will be mostly the same, but since namespaces changed during migration to Eclipse Modeling projects must be migrated. Migration effort
is relative few.

Kind regards,
~Karsten

On 08.07.09 20:09, Sven Efftinge wrote:
> Hi Antony,
>
> the recipe framework is not part of Xtext.
> All secondary oAW components (recipe, XWeave, etc.) will be updated and
> further developed as soon as there are people pushing it forward. You
> might try to trigger Markus Völter (the original author) or find any
> other volunteers.
>
>>
>> If it has been dropped - would the old oaw stuff be compatible with
>> TMF models/generated code (it's all Ecore under the covers...)?
>>
>
> I'm pretty sure that there's no explicit dependency to Xtext.
> So it should work. That said, I'm not so sure if there are dependencies
> to Xpand. So you might be forced to use Xpand from oAW 4.3.1 (which
> works with TMF Xtext) in order to use Recipe from oAW 4.3.1.
> It's maybe best to ask in the openarchitectureware.org forum.
>
> Cheers,
> Sven
>

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Re: Recipe framework gone? [message #56462 is a reply to message #56387]

Wed, 08 July 2009 21:27

Antony Wilkins

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Registered: July 2009

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Thanks, both of you, for your responses.

I'll have a look into converting it myself (obviously to contribute it
back) - I can't promise anything, being newish to EMF. I'll at least look
into the Recipe source code, though...

So - I'm slightly unclear as to the relationship oAW and the components
have now. Is it true to say that oAW still exists, but would now build on
top of the TMF versions of components like Xtext, Xpand, Xtend, etc?
Actually - this is probably the wrong place to ask that... I'll have a
look at the oaw forums...

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Re: Recipe framework gone? [message #56489 is a reply to message #56462]

Wed, 08 July 2009 22:03

Antony Wilkins

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Hmmm - okay - I seem to have no trouble converting the code in oaw CVS
oaw_v4/recipe. It had a couple of explicit dependencies to oaw plugins
and classes, each with easy to find direct replacements in TMF.

I've not tested this properly yet, but given the nature of the changes, I
would expect very few problems.

Assuming it tests okay, or any problems I find are ones I can fix, where
would I submit it back? To oaw, or to tmf?

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Re: Recipe framework gone? [message #56570 is a reply to message #56489]

Thu, 09 July 2009 08:13

Sven Efftinge

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If you find it useful and want to maintain it over time, you maybe
should found a little new project at sourceforge or googlecode (or what
you prefer).
I guess you should ask on the brand new oaw working group mailinglist
over at : https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/oaw-wg

Cheers,
Sven

Antony Wilkins schrieb:
> Hmmm - okay - I seem to have no trouble converting the code in oaw CVS
> oaw_v4/recipe. It had a couple of explicit dependencies to oaw plugins
> and classes, each with easy to find direct replacements in TMF.
>
> I've not tested this properly yet, but given the nature of the changes,
> I would expect very few problems.
>
> Assuming it tests okay, or any problems I find are ones I can fix, where
> would I submit it back? To oaw, or to tmf?
>

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Re: Recipe framework gone? [message #56598 is a reply to message #56462]

Thu, 09 July 2009 08:16

Sven Efftinge

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Registered: July 2009

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Antony Wilkins schrieb:
> So - I'm slightly unclear as to the relationship oAW and the components
> have now. Is it true to say that oAW still exists, but would now build
> on top of the TMF versions of components like Xtext, Xpand, Xtend, etc?
> Actually - this is probably the wrong place to ask that... I'll have a
> look at the oaw forums...

It's ok to ask this here. :-)
oAW has become a working group at eclipse and future releases will be
based on Eclipse Modeling technology (that is not only Xtext and Xpand
but also GMF, EMF and stuff like Ecore Tools). It also will include some
non IP approved not-at-eclipse hosted stuff. But those bits have to be
made available from an external site.

You all can participate. It's open!

Just subscribe to the mailinglist and participate in any discussions you
find interesting : https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/oaw-wg

Cheers,
Sven

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Re: Recipe framework gone? [message #56703 is a reply to message #56570]

Thu, 09 July 2009 12:01

Antony Wilkins

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Registered: July 2009

Junior Member

Thanks, Sven.

I've asked at oaw, and if they're not interested I'll host it/maintain
myself :)

It's a nice little tool - I think it's of quite limited use - normally I
find I can prevent the need for the checks it does - but occasionally it
proves very handy indeed.

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