| Eclipse survival [message #55478] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 09:27  |
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Originally posted by: rui.pacheco.viaverde.pt
Hi
My company is thinking about migrating some of our apps, done in an
array of languages, to Java. Since the performance of SWT is simply amazing
comparing to Swing, we decided to investigate Eclipse and SWT.
But we have a few questions: what will be the lifespan of the Eclipse
IDE and the SWT libraries? How many people use this? Are there any companies
using this on commercially available products? Can we build something using
SWT without having to worry about licensing schemes?
Thank you very much
Rui Pacheco
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| Re: Eclipse survival [message #55717 is a reply to message #55478] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 10:42  |
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Originally posted by: nczempin.printcom.deutschepost.de
Rui Pacheco wrote:
> Hi
> My company is thinking about migrating some of our apps, done in an
> array of languages, to Java.
Well, IMHO you should finish your thinking about the general question
first, before
> Since the performance of SWT is simply amazing
> comparing to Swing,
If that is your *only* reason, it is not sufficiently well-founded. Have
you run performance tests that show *significant* performance differences?
Which versions were you comparing? There are good reasons for both APIs.
> we decided to investigate Eclipse and SWT.
> But we have a few questions: what will be the lifespan of the Eclipse
> IDE and the SWT libraries?
Looking into my crystal ball, I predict a lifespan of precisely 13.64
years for one and 24.23 years for the other. SCNR
Seriously, who knows??
And you seem to lack a basic understanding of open source software. If IBM
decides one day to dump Eclipse, who cares? You can just take the source
code and make your own F-Clipse.
What alternatives are you looking at? In OSS, I'm only aware of Netbeans,
which is more or less the same thing as Eclipse, except it's Sun-backed
instead of IBM-backed (which means that it uses Swing and not SWT).
> How many people use this?
Are you seriously basing your decision on herd following?
> Are there any companies
> using this on commercially available products?
see previous answer
> Can we build something using
> SWT without having to worry about licensing schemes?
How about if you let your lawyers read the license? But (IANAL) the
license has been designed not to have you worry about licensing schemes :-)
Having said all that, I must admit that personally I have moved on from
Netbeans to Eclipse, both for the IDE and for the platform. I'm still
missing a few things from NB, but my guess is that both will converge
feature-wise eventually.
Sorry if I sound (or am) rude, but it seems you are asking marketing-type
questions in an engineer-filled newsgroup.
And, asking about "Eclipse survival" in eclipse.platform is like asking a
child "would you take any biscuits without my permission?" What answer did
you expect "We all think Eclipse is dead in the water, that's why we're
here".
Hardly.
:-)
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| Re: Eclipse survival [message #57118 is a reply to message #55478] |
Sat, 31 May 2003 01:18 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: bob.objfac.com
The short answer is yes.
Take a look at this presentation. It has a list of companies building
products on top of Eclipse.
http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/presentation/eclipse-slides.p df
Bob
"Rui Pacheco" <rui.pacheco@viaverde.pt> wrote in message
news:bb7863$f8c$1@rogue.oti.com...
> Hi
> My company is thinking about migrating some of our apps, done in an
> array of languages, to Java. Since the performance of SWT is simply
amazing
> comparing to Swing, we decided to investigate Eclipse and SWT.
> But we have a few questions: what will be the lifespan of the Eclipse
> IDE and the SWT libraries? How many people use this? Are there any
companies
> using this on commercially available products? Can we build something
using
> SWT without having to worry about licensing schemes?
>
> Thank you very much
> Rui Pacheco
>
>
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| Re: Eclipse survival [message #57850 is a reply to message #57118] |
Sun, 01 June 2003 02:57 |
 Kevin Duffey
Messages: 304
Registered: July 2009 |
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I would like to point out while SWT seems much faster, Swing is more
flexible in many ways and faster in some areas as well. So don't be too
hasty in saying Swing is too slow. We have deployed several large Swing
based applications and performance is plenty fast, including scrolling large
data sets. It just has to be done right. Sadly, too many developers write
the code wrong and don't know how to, so they respond with Swing is too
slow. Too bad too, because Swing has a number of advantages over SWT, and
the same is true vice versa. If the two could combine somehow, that would be
perfect! I would love to use SWT without having to rewrite my swing app,
that would make it the best.
"Bob Foster" <bob@objfac.com> wrote in message
news:bb8v69$n9e$1@rogue.oti.com...
> The short answer is yes.
>
> Take a look at this presentation. It has a list of companies building
> products on top of Eclipse.
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/presentation/eclipse-slides.p df
>
> Bob
>
> "Rui Pacheco" <rui.pacheco@viaverde.pt> wrote in message
> news:bb7863$f8c$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > Hi
> > My company is thinking about migrating some of our apps, done in an
> > array of languages, to Java. Since the performance of SWT is simply
> amazing
> > comparing to Swing, we decided to investigate Eclipse and SWT.
> > But we have a few questions: what will be the lifespan of the
Eclipse
> > IDE and the SWT libraries? How many people use this? Are there any
> companies
> > using this on commercially available products? Can we build something
> using
> > SWT without having to worry about licensing schemes?
> >
> > Thank you very much
> > Rui Pacheco
> >
> >
>
>
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