| What to use question [message #39747] |
Thu, 19 August 2004 08:13  |
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Originally posted by: leetree1.yahoo.com
Hi all,
First of all I confess that I am a newbie to this topic. My question is
this, if I want to get going with the webtools do I need both the ibm
contribution pieces and it's prerequisites or do I need Lomboz, or both.
Also, what is the future of myEclipse? Won't the webtools project
subsume all the functionality of myEclipse? We are in the process of
evaluating tools and at this point are leaning to myEclipse. Can anyone
in this newsgroup shed some light on the general direction.
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| Re: What to use question [message #39778 is a reply to message #39747] |
Thu, 19 August 2004 09:50  |
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Boris T wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> First of all I confess that I am a newbie to this topic. My question is
> this, if I want to get going with the webtools do I need both the ibm
> contribution pieces and it's prerequisites or do I need Lomboz, or both.
> Also, what is the future of myEclipse? Won't the webtools project
> subsume all the functionality of myEclipse? We are in the process of
> evaluating tools and at this point are leaning to myEclipse. Can anyone
> in this newsgroup shed some light on the general direction.
Borris:
If you're team is looking for a solution you really cannot go wrong with
myEclipse. myEclipse is a commercial product you can use for production
development. I wouldn't worry about the myEclipse folks being overrun by
WTP. They are member of the WTP community. I fully expect that some
future version of myEclipse will be based on WTP, if they think it makes
sense.
WTP is project that is just starting. There is no tool that you should
be using for production purposes. IBM and ObjectWeb are donating code
bases as a launching point for the project. The purpose was not to
provide a working tool, but to show the community all the features that
they have. (This is why both plugins have missing features and nasty
bugs!) Community will pick the best ideas to create the requirements for
the WTP project.
What should your team do today? If you doing very simple stuff, look at
the Sysdeo Tomcat Plugin. I've been using that for two years and it's
great. myEclipse is such a big bang for the buck, I don't see how you
can lose with it. If you use it just once in a whole year, it paid for
itself. You may also want to look at NetBeans, I'm not a fan, but
version 4.0 does have some interesting features. (I want the ANT project
feature in Eclipse!) I'm big fan of IntelliJIDEA,
http://www.jetbrains.com/.
As for WTP, keep an eye on it. Help test features and write bugs
reports. The big things about being on ground floor here is you can help
shape the tool with your suggestion and comments.
HTH,
Jeff Duska
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| Re: What to use question [message #39900 is a reply to message #39778] |
Thu, 19 August 2004 20:38 |
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Originally posted by: leetree1.yahoo.com
Jeff,
Thanks for the summary. I spoke with the sales guy today from myElipse
and am very impressed by what they have done. We evaulated Netbenas and,
while the 3.6 and the 4.0 version have some realy nice features, such as
the profiling, JSP editing and ant projects, I think that eclipe is head
and shoulders above what netbeans is and will be. We are planning on
writing our own plugins to empower our products and Netbeans is just too
monolothic and convulated for that. I also question it's long term
viability given Sun's financial health.
Jeff Duska wrote:
> Boris T wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First of all I confess that I am a newbie to this topic. My question
>> is this, if I want to get going with the webtools do I need both the
>> ibm contribution pieces and it's prerequisites or do I need Lomboz, or
>> both. Also, what is the future of myEclipse? Won't the webtools
>> project subsume all the functionality of myEclipse? We are in the
>> process of evaluating tools and at this point are leaning to
>> myEclipse. Can anyone in this newsgroup shed some light on the general
>> direction.
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> Borris:
>
> If you're team is looking for a solution you really cannot go wrong with
> myEclipse. myEclipse is a commercial product you can use for production
> development. I wouldn't worry about the myEclipse folks being overrun by
> WTP. They are member of the WTP community. I fully expect that some
> future version of myEclipse will be based on WTP, if they think it makes
> sense.
>
> WTP is project that is just starting. There is no tool that you should
> be using for production purposes. IBM and ObjectWeb are donating code
> bases as a launching point for the project. The purpose was not to
> provide a working tool, but to show the community all the features that
> they have. (This is why both plugins have missing features and nasty
> bugs!) Community will pick the best ideas to create the requirements for
> the WTP project.
>
> What should your team do today? If you doing very simple stuff, look at
> the Sysdeo Tomcat Plugin. I've been using that for two years and it's
> great. myEclipse is such a big bang for the buck, I don't see how you
> can lose with it. If you use it just once in a whole year, it paid for
> itself. You may also want to look at NetBeans, I'm not a fan, but
> version 4.0 does have some interesting features. (I want the ANT project
> feature in Eclipse!) I'm big fan of IntelliJIDEA,
> http://www.jetbrains.com/.
>
> As for WTP, keep an eye on it. Help test features and write bugs
> reports. The big things about being on ground floor here is you can help
> shape the tool with your suggestion and comments.
>
> HTH,
>
> Jeff Duska
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