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| Re: Mysteries in the Software Updates UI [message #331921 is a reply to message #331906] |
Mon, 29 September 2008 15:56   |
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Originally posted by: eclipse-news.rizzoweb.com
On 9/28/2008 12:54 AM, John J. Barton wrote:
> Two accidental discoveries:
> 1) My download of eclipse-SDK-3.4.1-win32 is listed in Installed
> Software a Eclipse SDK 3.4.0.M20080911-1700
> 2) The Available Software panel seems broken. I have three sites listed
> in the main panel, but if I click "Manage Sites" there is about 30.
I can't say anything about (1) but for (2), did you notice the
checkboxes next to each entry in the Manage Sites list? That checkbox
controls "enablement" of the sites; only enabled sites show up in the
Available Software list. There's a note about it at the top of the
Manage Sites dialog.
Hope this helps,
Eric
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| Re: Mysteries in the Software Updates UI [message #331949 is a reply to message #331922] |
Tue, 30 September 2008 14:41 |
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Originally posted by: eclipse-news.rizzoweb.com
On 9/29/2008 12:11 PM, John J Barton wrote:
> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>> On 9/28/2008 12:54 AM, John J. Barton wrote:
>>> Two accidental discoveries:
>>> 1) My download of eclipse-SDK-3.4.1-win32 is listed in Installed
>>> Software a Eclipse SDK 3.4.0.M20080911-1700
>>> 2) The Available Software panel seems broken. I have three sites listed
>>> in the main panel, but if I click "Manage Sites" there is about 30.
>>
>> I can't say anything about (1) but for (2), did you notice the
>> checkboxes next to each entry in the Manage Sites list? That checkbox
>> controls "enablement" of the sites; only enabled sites show up in the
>> Available Software list. There's a note about it at the top of the
>> Manage Sites dialog.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Eric
>
> You're right does say "The others are ignored". But my point is that I
> didn't imagine this a list. What is the purpose of this list? It looks
> like "eclipse-blessed URLs". To me the "available software" is a control
> to "manage sites": it's a list of sites which you can use to select
> updates from, and you can add to the list. The thing called "Manage
> Sites" is a list I did not create and it has some but not all URLs for
> eclipse update sites.
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> The Manage Sites panel would be really helpful if it were "Registered
> Update Sites" and it downloaded a list of all available eclipse update
> sites (say from an online registry). Just giving the blessed sites is
> not helpful since the list does not help you pick the things you need to
> install.
As you can see, the complete list of sites on the Manage Sites list is
huge. I suspect the idea behind having it separate is because at any
given time you are not likely to want to see EVERY available
plugin/update from EVERY site that you have either added yourself or was
added automatically when a feature was installed (when a feature is
installed, I'm pretty sure it can contribute to this list, which is why
it is so large). I think the typical use case is expected to be that you
want to install something specific and thus Available Software is a
subset view of the total set of things that your Eclipse installation
knows about that might have updates or new plugins. That seems quite
reasonable to me.
As for an online registry, that has been brought up before. I think one
of the reasons for not having such a thing (other than the usual "No
body cares enough about it to contribute time to building and
implementing it") is because it would be a PITA to do it for
non-eclipse.org projects. EPIC is a nice web site for finding plugins,
but I would not want something of that size and uncontrolled scope being
exposed in the standard Available Updates UI - it would be overwhelming.
You cuold suggest that there be one registry just for Eclipse.org hosted
projects, but that kind of goes against the nature of Eclipse, where
contributions from the third-parties are given equal value and
importance in the ecosystem.
Eric
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| Re: Mysteries in the Software Updates UI [message #332198 is a reply to message #332184] |
Thu, 09 October 2008 16:20 |
 Susan F. McCourt
Messages: 16
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> I did not see this kind of discussion in the bug report so let me know
> if there is somewhere else.
Hi, John.
Oh, yeah! There are a lot of discussions going on in a lot of different
bug reports. If you do a bugzilla search in the RT->Equinox->p2
component for bugs with [ui] in the title, you'll see many/most of your
suggestions in different bugs.
Did you know you can change the available software page to view by
category or by name? This way you don't have to look at the sites at
all, you can see the master list of available software, either sorted by
category or by name of the software. That combined with a bug that
requests showing the site associated with an item would give you the
upside down look you want.
Some other things to read/comment on: the basic organization of the UI
is changing right now (as of last nights N-build) as described in
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_UI_3.5_workflows. That page also has
links to bugs for discussion of particular topics.
> Build the tree by compatibility: 3.4.1 on top, wtp 2 and 3 below.
This is a tough one as it requires resolving the various
dependencies/requirements before ever showing the list, and we already
have performance issues. But that suggestion probably belongs in
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=226577
In general, this is a *very good* time to be giving overall feedback as
we've been looking at our users, workflows, and what kinds of things are
going to help the UI for 3.5. Current 3.5 milestone plan is at
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_UI_Plan.
If your suggestions land in a bug report they won't get lost...
susan
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