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[Announce] UFacekit component proposal [message #331469] Tue, 09 September 2008 03:07 Go to next message
Boris Bokowski is currently offline Boris BokowskiFriend
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Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/Incubator/Platform/UFacekit for a
proposal to create a new component "UFacekit" as part of the
Eclipse Incubator project. UFacekit is an existing project that is currently
hosted on Google Code and licensed under EPL.

We would like to follow the exemplary process used by the modeling project
for proposing and creating new components, see also:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Modeling_Project_Releng/Component_Cr eation#Proposal
..

After about two weeks to gather community/peer feedback, we will post an
announcement on the eclipse-dev mailing list (the Eclipse Incubator project
does not have a dedicated mailing list so we'll use the top-level one) to
gather approval votes from existing Eclipse Incubator committers.

Technical discussions about the formation, scope, and direction of this new
component will take place on the eclipse.platform newsgroup (please make
sure you respond on eclipse.platform only, and please prefix the subject
with [UFacekit]). If you have comments or ideas, or interest in contributing
to the component, please join in the discussion!


Thanks,
Boris
Re: [Announce] UFacekit component proposal [message #331473 is a reply to message #331469] Tue, 09 September 2008 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
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Hi,

I think this proposal is also interesting for the EMF-Community because
to some extend it also adds new things to EMF and opens new markets for
EMF-Projects (Swing & GWT).

Tom

Boris Bokowski schrieb:
> Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/Incubator/Platform/UFacekit for a
> proposal to create a new component "UFacekit" as part of the
> Eclipse Incubator project. UFacekit is an existing project that is currently
> hosted on Google Code and licensed under EPL.
>
> We would like to follow the exemplary process used by the modeling project
> for proposing and creating new components, see also:
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Modeling_Project_Releng/Component_Cr eation#Proposal
> .
>
> After about two weeks to gather community/peer feedback, we will post an
> announcement on the eclipse-dev mailing list (the Eclipse Incubator project
> does not have a dedicated mailing list so we'll use the top-level one) to
> gather approval votes from existing Eclipse Incubator committers.
>
> Technical discussions about the formation, scope, and direction of this new
> component will take place on the eclipse.platform newsgroup (please make
> sure you respond on eclipse.platform only, and please prefix the subject
> with [UFacekit]). If you have comments or ideas, or interest in contributing
> to the component, please join in the discussion!
>
>
> Thanks,
> Boris
>
>


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Re: [Announce] UFacekit component proposal [message #331474 is a reply to message #331469] Tue, 09 September 2008 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
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Hi,

I think this proposal is also interesting for the EMF-Community because
to some extend it also adds new things to EMF and opens new markets for
EMF-Projects (Swing & GWT).

Tom

Boris Bokowski schrieb:
> Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/Incubator/Platform/UFacekit for a
> proposal to create a new component "UFacekit" as part of the
> Eclipse Incubator project. UFacekit is an existing project that is currently
> hosted on Google Code and licensed under EPL.
>
> We would like to follow the exemplary process used by the modeling project
> for proposing and creating new components, see also:
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Modeling_Project_Releng/Component_Cr eation#Proposal
> .
>
> After about two weeks to gather community/peer feedback, we will post an
> announcement on the eclipse-dev mailing list (the Eclipse Incubator project
> does not have a dedicated mailing list so we'll use the top-level one) to
> gather approval votes from existing Eclipse Incubator committers.
>
> Technical discussions about the formation, scope, and direction of this new
> component will take place on the eclipse.platform newsgroup (please make
> sure you respond on eclipse.platform only, and please prefix the subject
> with [UFacekit]). If you have comments or ideas, or interest in contributing
> to the component, please join in the discussion!
>
>
> Thanks,
> Boris
>
>


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Re: [Announce] UFacekit component proposal [message #331484 is a reply to message #331469] Tue, 09 September 2008 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Boris Bokowski is currently offline Boris BokowskiFriend
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It seems that while I was not looking, the process for creating components
got a little heavier (but also more powerful).

Under the new Eclipse Development Process [1], which was recently approved
by the Eclipse Board of directors [2], new components are treated very much
like new projects and need a formal creation review (however, no voting
apparently).

Therefore, I would like to proceed as follows:

For about one week, we can use this newsgroup and the wiki page [6] to
gather informal feedback. After that, Tom and I will work with the Eclipse
Foundation to publish the proposal, which means that it will be sent to the
eclipse-committers and membership-at-large mailing lists. This is when we
transition from the 6.2.1 Pre-proposal phase to the 6.2.2 Proposal phase
(see [1]).

"In the Proposal phase, the proposers, in conjunction with the destination
PMC and the community, collaborate in public to enhance, refine, and clarify
the proposal." In other words, during that phase we will still be looking
for feedback from the community.

Not sure how much time we should allocate for the Proposal phase, how about
a minimum of two weeks before the creation review if all goes well?

Boris

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_proc ess.php
[2] personal communication; I couldn't find any public record of this, but I
only checked [3], [4], and [5]
[3] http://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/minutes.php
[4]
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-committers/ maillist.html
[5] http://eclipse-projects.blogspot.com/

"Boris Bokowski" <Boris_Bokowski@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:ga4pa1$8o8$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Please see http://wiki.eclipse.org/Incubator/Platform/UFacekit for a
> proposal to create a new component "UFacekit" as part of the
> Eclipse Incubator project. UFacekit is an existing project that is
> currently hosted on Google Code and licensed under EPL.
>
> We would like to follow the exemplary process used by the modeling project
> for proposing and creating new components, see also:
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Modeling_Project_Releng/Component_Cr eation#Proposal .
>
> After about two weeks to gather community/peer feedback, we will post an
> announcement on the eclipse-dev mailing list (the Eclipse Incubator
> project does not have a dedicated mailing list so we'll use the top-level
> one) to gather approval votes from existing Eclipse Incubator committers.
>
> Technical discussions about the formation, scope, and direction of this
> new component will take place on the eclipse.platform newsgroup (please
> make sure you respond on eclipse.platform only, and please prefix the
> subject with [UFacekit]). If you have comments or ideas, or interest in
> contributing to the component, please join in the discussion!
>
>
> Thanks,
> Boris
>
>
Re: [Announce] UFacekit component proposal [message #331499 is a reply to message #331474] Wed, 10 September 2008 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ekkehard.gentz-software.de

Tom,

sounds good what I'm reading from wiki
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Incubator/Platform/UFacekit
.....
> improve usability of Eclipse-Databinding by providing a high-level
Widget-API
> promote reuse of rich UI code across Eclipse (JFace/SWT), ...
> simplify rich UI development by providing simpler facades and
powerful binding
.....

but there's already another eclipse project (Riena) also providing a
high-level api to simplify the work with widgets and databinding

is it really a good idea to have two projects trying to do the same ?
the Riena team ist just working to make use of their ridgets also
stand-alone without the Riena-specific things

and what I've seen and tested till now from Riena they did a great job
and simplify the work with widgets and databinding, add markers,
validation etc.

ekke


Tom Schindl schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> I think this proposal is also interesting for the EMF-Community because
> to some extend it also adds new things to EMF and opens new markets for
> EMF-Projects (Swing & GWT).
>
> Tom
Re: [Announce] UFacekit component proposal [message #331507 is a reply to message #331499] Wed, 10 September 2008 18:21 Go to previous message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
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Hi Ekke,

I know Riena and the people working on it. It's right that Riena also
aims to provide a higherlevel API to ease writing Databinding
applications (including validation, ...).

Still I think UFacekit has many unique features to provide offer e.g.
(GWT is completely out of scope for Riena, ...). I don't see in Rienas
code base currently a Swing implementation though I think I can
rememeber that I talked with Christian about Swing-Observables once. So
Riena could be a customer of our observables then :-)

I added a reference to the Project Proposal pointing to Riena.

Tom

ekke schrieb:
> Tom,
>
> sounds good what I'm reading from wiki
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Incubator/Platform/UFacekit
> ....
>> improve usability of Eclipse-Databinding by providing a high-level
> Widget-API
>> promote reuse of rich UI code across Eclipse (JFace/SWT), ...
>> simplify rich UI development by providing simpler facades and powerful
> binding
> ....
>
> but there's already another eclipse project (Riena) also providing a
> high-level api to simplify the work with widgets and databinding
>
> is it really a good idea to have two projects trying to do the same ?
> the Riena team ist just working to make use of their ridgets also
> stand-alone without the Riena-specific things
>
> and what I've seen and tested till now from Riena they did a great job
> and simplify the work with widgets and databinding, add markers,
> validation etc.
>
> ekke
>
>
> Tom Schindl schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think this proposal is also interesting for the EMF-Community because
>> to some extend it also adds new things to EMF and opens new markets for
>> EMF-Projects (Swing & GWT).
>>
>> Tom


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