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Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328156] Thu, 15 May 2008 20:43 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: hamasaki.citromail.hu

History:

http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=41027&g roup=eclipse.platform.swt#41027

I download from here:

http://archive.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R1.5/R-1 .5.5-200708291442/
This:
wtp-all-in-one-sdk-R-1.5.5-200708291442-win32.zip
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/webtools /downloads/drops/R1.5/R-1.5.5-200708291442/wtp-all-in-one-sd k-R-1.5.5-200708291442-win32.zip

installing:
Sun Java 2 Standard Edition 1.4.2_10
Sun Java 2 Standard Edition, version 1.4.2_08 for Microsoft Windows

extracting eclipse and run... AND THIS BUG EXTIST:

If i delete from file, file size will same, don't be smaller!
Read top link about this bug.

How can it possible?
I have new Windows XP install, all works perfectly expect Eclipse.


Hama
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328157 is a reply to message #328156] Thu, 15 May 2008 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: kosta.bea.com

WTP 1.5.x and Eclipse 3.2.x are quite old and certainly aren't being
actively maintained. Have you tried something newer? Perhaps WTP 2.0.2
with Eclipse 3.3.2?

You will need a Java 5 VM or newer.

- Konstantin
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328161 is a reply to message #328156] Thu, 15 May 2008 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: davisons.qwest.com

Mr. Hama,
I've read the history provided by your first link. First let's make sure
that I understand your complaint. You create a file, type something into
it, and then save it. Then you open the file, delete some content, and save
it again. Your complaint is that the file size on the disk has not changed?

I hesitate to offer any futher advice until I'm absolutely sure your problem
is as I have described it.

Regards,
Stephen

"Mr. Hama" <hamasaki@citromail.hu> wrote in message
news:eccc36fc1a287a82a0bfaacc7e6d1697$1@www.eclipse.org...
> History:
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=41027&g roup=eclipse.platform.swt#41027
>
> I download from here:
>
> http://archive.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R1.5/R-1 .5.5-200708291442/
> This:
> wtp-all-in-one-sdk-R-1.5.5-200708291442-win32.zip
> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/webtools /downloads/drops/R1.5/R-1.5.5-200708291442/wtp-all-in-one-sd k-R-1.5.5-200708291442-win32.zip
>
> installing:
> Sun Java 2 Standard Edition 1.4.2_10
> Sun Java 2 Standard Edition, version 1.4.2_08 for Microsoft Windows
>
> extracting eclipse and run... AND THIS BUG EXTIST:
>
> If i delete from file, file size will same, don't be smaller!
> Read top link about this bug.
>
> How can it possible?
> I have new Windows XP install, all works perfectly expect Eclipse.
>
>
> Hama
>
>
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328164 is a reply to message #328156] Fri, 16 May 2008 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Olivier Thomann is currently offline Olivier ThomannFriend
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Senior Member
Mr. Hama a écrit :
> extracting eclipse and run... AND THIS BUG EXTIST:
>
> If i delete from file, file size will same, don't be smaller!
> Read top link about this bug.
The best way to get a bug fixed is to open a bug report and provide
steps to reproduce.
Since it seems to be easily reproducable, please mention all what you
have done to get it.
Now if you are using old versions of Eclipse and WTP, it could be a good
idea to try to reproduce first on the latest versions.
Then I would try to reproduce without WTP to try to isolate the problem.
Once the bug is entered, it will be the good place to track it down.
Thanks,
--
Olivier
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328189 is a reply to message #328164] Fri, 16 May 2008 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Derek Lac is currently offline Derek LacFriend
Messages: 19
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
I would reproduce it myself. However you have to be extremely detail.
For example, I don't know how to get a version of WTP. How did delete
it? Did you use menu or delete key.
By the way, have you tried going to control panel -> system, and
turning off the "screw people up" feature off? Hehehe. No, I couldn't
resist the last part as a joke.


-Derek Lac

> Mr. Hama a écrit :
>> extracting eclipse and run... AND THIS BUG EXTIST:
>>
>> If i delete from file, file size will same, don't be smaller!
>> Read top link about this bug.
> The best way to get a bug fixed is to open a bug report and provide
> steps to reproduce.
> Since it seems to be easily reproducable, please mention all what you
> have done to get it.
> Now if you are using old versions of Eclipse and WTP, it could be a good
> idea to try to reproduce first on the latest versions.
> Then I would try to reproduce without WTP to try to isolate the problem.
> Once the bug is entered, it will be the good place to track it down.
> Thanks,
> --
> Olivier
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328199 is a reply to message #328161] Fri, 16 May 2008 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve Blass is currently offline Steve BlassFriend
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Registered: July 2009
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If the file size is the same it would be because the file contents fit
into the same number of file system blocks as the original. (e.g: I type
"hello world" into foobar.txt with notepad and save, it is a 1K file
on my machine. I erase 'world' and save and I still have a 1K file)
If the content you can see doesn't change after you delete something and
save and re-open then that's different but I have never had that kind of
problem with any of the Eclipse editors ever.
-
Steve Blass

Stephen Davison wrote:
> Mr. Hama,
> I've read the history provided by your first link. First let's make sure
> that I understand your complaint. You create a file, type something into
> it, and then save it. Then you open the file, delete some content, and save
> it again. Your complaint is that the file size on the disk has not changed?
>
> I hesitate to offer any futher advice until I'm absolutely sure your problem
> is as I have described it.
>
> Regards,
> Stephen
>
> "Mr. Hama" <hamasaki@citromail.hu> wrote in message
> news:eccc36fc1a287a82a0bfaacc7e6d1697$1@www.eclipse.org...
>> History:
>>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=41027&g roup=eclipse.platform.swt#41027
>>
>> I download from here:
>>
>> http://archive.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R1.5/R-1 .5.5-200708291442/
>> This:
>> wtp-all-in-one-sdk-R-1.5.5-200708291442-win32.zip
>> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/webtools /downloads/drops/R1.5/R-1.5.5-200708291442/wtp-all-in-one-sd k-R-1.5.5-200708291442-win32.zip
>>
>> installing:
>> Sun Java 2 Standard Edition 1.4.2_10
>> Sun Java 2 Standard Edition, version 1.4.2_08 for Microsoft Windows
>>
>> extracting eclipse and run... AND THIS BUG EXTIST:
>>
>> If i delete from file, file size will same, don't be smaller!
>> Read top link about this bug.
>>
>> How can it possible?
>> I have new Windows XP install, all works perfectly expect Eclipse.
>>
>>
>> Hama
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328263 is a reply to message #328199] Tue, 20 May 2008 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: davisons.qwest.com

From the description he gave it certainly read like he didn't understand the
concept of internal fragmentation (aka slack space). I just wanted to make
sure that's what he was really describing.
Regards,
Stephen

"Steve Blass" <sblass@acm.org> wrote in message
news:g0kmjj$hv5$1@build.eclipse.org...
> If the file size is the same it would be because the file contents fit
> into the same number of file system blocks as the original. (e.g: I type
> "hello world" into foobar.txt with notepad and save, it is a 1K file on my
> machine. I erase 'world' and save and I still have a 1K file) If the
> content you can see doesn't change after you delete something and save and
> re-open then that's different but I have never had that kind of problem
> with any of the Eclipse editors ever.
> -
> Steve Blass
>
> Stephen Davison wrote:
>> Mr. Hama,
>> I've read the history provided by your first link. First let's make sure
>> that I understand your complaint. You create a file, type something into
>> it, and then save it. Then you open the file, delete some content, and
>> save it again. Your complaint is that the file size on the disk has not
>> changed?
>>
>> I hesitate to offer any futher advice until I'm absolutely sure your
>> problem is as I have described it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Stephen
>>
>> "Mr. Hama" <hamasaki@citromail.hu> wrote in message
>> news:eccc36fc1a287a82a0bfaacc7e6d1697$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>> History:
>>>
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=41027&g roup=eclipse.platform.swt#41027
>>>
>>> I download from here:
>>>
>>> http://archive.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R1.5/R-1 .5.5-200708291442/
>>> This:
>>> wtp-all-in-one-sdk-R-1.5.5-200708291442-win32.zip
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/webtools /downloads/drops/R1.5/R-1.5.5-200708291442/wtp-all-in-one-sd k-R-1.5.5-200708291442-win32.zip
>>>
>>> installing:
>>> Sun Java 2 Standard Edition 1.4.2_10
>>> Sun Java 2 Standard Edition, version 1.4.2_08 for Microsoft Windows
>>>
>>> extracting eclipse and run... AND THIS BUG EXTIST:
>>>
>>> If i delete from file, file size will same, don't be smaller!
>>> Read top link about this bug.
>>>
>>> How can it possible?
>>> I have new Windows XP install, all works perfectly expect Eclipse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hama
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328277 is a reply to message #328263] Tue, 20 May 2008 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: hamasaki.citromail.hu

Slack space?

You don't know the exact problem?

I edit a file and 500 byte, i remove 300 byte but the file size will still
same 500 byte. and after 300 byte stay the old contents...
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328278 is a reply to message #328189] Tue, 20 May 2008 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: hamasaki.citromail.hu

You really want help me?

Here is my test config + eclipse files:

http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=74887&g roup=eclipse.platform#74887
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328279 is a reply to message #328199] Tue, 20 May 2008 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: hamasaki.citromail.hu

Hey, hey, hey!

I know what is block size, and i know 1 byte file use for example 32768
byte if this is block size but not this the problem.

If a file have 100 byte length no more data after 100 byte, and you see
100 byte lenght.

After I remove 300 byte from 500 byte text file, i will get 500 byte too...
And after 200 byte content is bugged...

So it's bug.



Steve Blass wrote:
> If the file size is the same it would be because the file contents fit
> into the same number of file system blocks as the original. (e.g: I type
> "hello world" into foobar.txt with notepad and save, it is a 1K file
> on my machine. I erase 'world' and save and I still have a 1K file)
> If the content you can see doesn't change after you delete something and
> save and re-open then that's different but I have never had that kind of
> problem with any of the Eclipse editors ever.
> -
> Steve Blass
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328285 is a reply to message #328278] Tue, 20 May 2008 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve Blass is currently offline Steve BlassFriend
Messages: 276
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Senior Member
Mr. Hama wrote:
> You really want help me?
>
> Here is my test config + eclipse files:
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=74887&g roup=eclipse.platform#74887
>
>

Does the same thing you have been describing happen when you edit a file
that has a .txt extension?
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328300 is a reply to message #328285] Wed, 21 May 2008 07:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: hamasaki.citromail.hu

Steve Blass wrote:
> Does the same thing you have been describing happen when you edit a file
> that has a .txt extension?

Yes of course.

But I found something:

After reboot for 1-2 time have no bug, and AFTER bug again and never will
good again... maybe after for next reboot.

But if I close Eclipse and I start again: bug again... only reboot helps
sometimes.

If only run Eclipse alone, maybe no bug for 1-2 file edit... after bugged
again...

Hard to reproduct... but 99% bugged like now.

My idea: can be bugged only if firefox 3 in memmory?
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328320 is a reply to message #328300] Wed, 21 May 2008 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: eclipse-news.rizzoweb.com

Mr. Hama wrote:
> My idea: can be bugged only if firefox 3 in memmory?

No, I use Firefox 3 all day every day and have never seen any problem in
Eclipse like you are describing.

Eric
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328328 is a reply to message #328320] Wed, 21 May 2008 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: hamasaki.citromail.hu

If helps, I made the swf / avi video about this bug. Like open file,
remove lines, reopen file, and the old content exists.

Why noone can help me?
Noone can reproduct this bug?

My current eclipse verison:

Eclipse SDK Version: 3.2.2 - Build id: M20070212-1330

But all version of eclipse have this bug, tested from 3.1 to newest... :(
Re: Biggest Eclipse bug still exist! PC reinstall + clean install = STILL! [message #328332 is a reply to message #328328] Wed, 21 May 2008 16:55 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: eclipse-news.rizzoweb.com

Mr. Hama wrote:
> If helps, I made the swf / avi video about this bug. Like open file,
> remove lines, reopen file, and the old content exists.
>
> Why noone can help me?
> Noone can reproduct this bug?

That is correct - no one else has reported anything like this; it is
unique to your environment. As I told you when you first posted, this
kind of bug would have been found and fixed a long time ago if it were
consistent for other users. So clearly it is something unique in your
system.

Where it the video you made? That would probably be very helpful to see...

Eric
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